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. there are two things he said and i respect him very much. he said number one the pentagon. the fraud, the excess, the waste. that has got to come down. he said what else? what else are we going to cut? he said the healthcare. we have to improve healthcare and the whole issue is if you get the universal healthcare, then you've avoided this medicaid medicare, you know, whatever and it is more efficient because you're not sending money -- spending money for profit. you're doing it for the v.a. and for everybody. >> bill: i forget, doris igor, jump in here, too i forget the exact number but the congressional budget office proved that -- you're right. single payer would be even more efficient but we're not going to go there because we didn't. but obama care would save hundreds of millions -- hundreds of billions of dollars in delivery of healthcare costs by making it more efficient and bringing more people into the system and therefore have more capacity to deliver. >> you lower the rate of growth which is the key to lowerin
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